If ARM becomes the only choice then it will be a monopoly? That’s what a monopoly means!

It doesn’t matter how many partners or variations are involved, it still breaks down to a single choice and a single company providing that choice.

And there are plenty of reasons for Intel to not make ARM, and most of all because of competition… It not really competition if you’re doing the same thing as everyone else and not providing a different choice!

What you’re doing is wasting our time with this senseless grievance you seem to have against them for not going the way you want!

And it doesn’t help that you keep on exaggerating ARM advantages like so called ARM powered Ultrabook killers when there’s nothing of the sort yet!

Even ARM Chromebooks are still not as cheap as their x86 counterparts yet and even Intel’s low end Celeron and Pentium lines still provide more performance.

Sure, Intel chips cost more but as long as system pricing stays close then there isn’t a advantage there!

We’ll see how it develops but competition can only improve them both!

ARM is no monopoly, everyone is in the ARM ecosystem, everyone except Intel and Intel pushes their partners to stay out of it as much as possible. Intel not providing the market with ARM option is Intel preventing competition on the market. Intel should make ARM chips too, there is no good reason for Intel to not make ARM, it’s only mafia like stubbornness, the Intel dream that they can somehow continue to force the whole world to only use their proprietary closed x86 platform to be forced to only buy overpriced Intel processors going forward. ARM can scale to any performance required, if Intel think they can push ARM’s performance even higher, they should quite simply do that and release that, and let their customers CHOOSE which architecture they prefer to work with. Anything else is moronic mafia-like anti-competitive stupidity and you’re promoting that.

I care about not wasting my time when I go to video-blog at Asus, Acer, MSI, Gigabyte, Lenovo, those companies are completely deeply corrupted by Intel, it stinks so very very bad, you have no idea. I care about not having Google release one failed product after the other (Google TV, Chromebook) blamed fully on Intel’s crappy architecture and have those automatically become huge successes as soon as they are finally allowed to switch to ARM 2 years later. I care about the children of the world getting cheaper and better computers, that means ARM Powered laptops, and Intel is BLOCKING THAT, because Intel is CONTROLLING THE LAPTOP MARKET, Intel does not let the Laptop makers release cheaper and better ARM powered PC/Laptop devices, but hopefully the Intel x86 mafia is about to be detroyed regardless, this Computex was a dissapointment once again, all the Taiwanese PC/Laptop makers dissapoint once again, and they fail badly, they probably are all loosing mountains of money because of Intel, but now hopefully Tegra4 and some other upcoming ARM Cortex-A15 big.LITTLE chips are hopeofully soon going to supply everyone on the market with Intel x86 destroyer platforms and Intel will probably not be able to block the ARM domination anymore. We’ll have $199 ARM Powered Ultrabook-killers within the next 6 months hopefully, ARM Powered servers are going to take over most new server deployments, Intel’s x86 will be completely disrupted hopefully.

“AMD is going ARM, everyone is going ARM, it’s Intel who needs to turn
their business around and to start shipping ARM products like everyone
else.”

Why, so we can have a ARM monopoly? You really don’t understand the benefits of competition if you’re for one standard becoming dominant even when it’s not always the better solution!

ARM as it is, isn’t designed to scale up very high in performance. It’s designed for efficiency and that mainly applies to low end devices that need to be more efficient!

So like it or not we still need a solution that can scale up to very high performance range.

“Intel basically owns Asus, Acer, MSI, Lenovo and some others, Intel decides what gets made, what gets released.”

No, they don’t! Even with Ultrabooks the industry pretty much goes its own way and that’s the most Intel influenced product range out there!

All Intel can do is influence them and give them incentives like paying them but that only has so much effect and no more!

And Intel can’t blackmail them with higher pricing because, A) that would be illegal and the big companies are definitely not shy about going to court… and B) It wouldn’t help Intel anyway because they don’t have the influence they once had, between the slowing PC market and the growing competition from alternatives it would only hurt them and most of these big companies can easily call their bluff!… Never mind all the bad press they would get from it as well!

Besides, leveraging the market to their advantage is what all the big companies do… Trying to single out Intel out of all of them is just a distorted point of view that only serves to exaggerate what’s actually going on with these companies!

“Of course that Asus, Acer, MSI, Lenovo and others also do ARM stuff “on
the side” they can do those ARM things as long as Intel is not
providing solutions in exactly each same product segment.”

What part of ARM dominated mobile market don’t you get? None of these companies are automatically replacing ARM with Intel!

Intel ATOM SoCs have been out for long enough to show they’re not replacing ARM because of any Intel leverage but only when they actually compete!

Intel offers a ATOM SoC that can do the same job and because they’re desperate to get market share they’ll sell them dirt cheap… Of course companies will start making products for them under that… what influences companies the most is their bottom line and if they can put out a product with less cost to themselves then they’ll do it as they’ll profit regardless!

Most of Asus mobile devices are ARM based, not Intel anyway! So you sound like a complete nut when you keep on trying to portray these companies as poor slaves to Intel that have to do whatever Intel tells them to do when they’re doing nothing of the sort!

You apparently just don’t want to admit Intel can actually manage to compete, calling the benchmarks that were done even by independent people on their own and completely separate from any company Intel lies just goes to show how far you apparently want to deny this simple fact…

Sure, they’re not doing so great with these 32nm SoCs that they’ll beat the highest end ARM solutions but if they can actually improve as much as they say they can with the 22nm update then they’ll definitely be considered a valid option to compete with ARM solutions going forward and like it or not competition is better for the consumers, period!

But apparently you care more about making a ARM monopoly, and portraying Intel as the great devil, than what’s good for the consumers… So very sad…

AMD is going ARM, everyone is going ARM, it’s Intel who needs to turn their business around and to start shipping ARM products like everyone else.

Intel basically owns Asus, Acer, MSI, Lenovo and some others, Intel decides what gets made, what gets released. Even towards Google, Intel is the one deciding, it may be direct or indirect decisions. It happens like this:

“Hey, please help us by releasing this and that of our reference designs under your brand, we’ll pay you to build it, and please do not do that ARM thing.”

To stay legal, Intel is not going to actually say that they would crank up prices on the millions of x86 processors that each of these companies base the bulk of their current business on, but that is just totally obvious.

The PC/Laptop makers are basically told not to fuck with Intel too much or to expect retaliation and all kinds of anti-competitive assaults from Intel, this is the day-to-day business process for Intel, they do not care about ethics, Intel is all about illegal anti-competitive behavior, Intel is the mafia.

Of course that Asus, Acer, MSI, Lenovo and others also do ARM stuff “on the side” they can do those ARM things as long as Intel is not providing solutions in exactly each same product segment.

Intel is very very desperate, they obviously have lost Apple’s interest, Samsung also is basically skipping off x86 pretty quickly as 95% of Apple profits are ARM based and also a huge majority of Samsung electronics profits are exclusively ARM based. Intel is very desperate to see their main PC/Laptop “partners” also skip away from x86 to realize that all the profits can only be made working on ARM devices, Intel is so very afraid of the ARM Powered Chromebook, the Nvidia Tegra4 is one of Intel’s biggest threats if Nvidia is soon ready to deliver it to Asus, Acer, MSI, Lenovo, Gigabyte, Quanta, Foxconn, Pegatron etc if Tegra4 is soon ready for them all, with full good yield, the Tegra4 Powered Chromebook together with whatever Samsung plans to do with Exynos5 big.LITTLE laptops going forward, the ARM Powered laptop can capture more than 50% of the Laptop/Desktop market as fast as within 6 months, Intel is going to try to do whatever they can to prevent that, unless the new Intel CEO is not a moron and understands it’s not going to be good for Intel to disrupt free market competition any longer and that Intel should just play nice going forward.

Considering all those companies are still coming out with new ARM products then I’d have to call BS on your claim that Intel is forcing them to not make them!

Like Asus is releasing both a Intel and a Qualcomm version of the MeMO Pad FHD 10 for example!

And Samsung is coming out with a whole range of devices and only a few of them are running on Intel!

Just because they’re also coming out with Intel based versions doesn’t mean they’re not making ARM versions too! There’s plenty of room for competition and there’s still more ARM based mobile devices coming out than Intel. So your fears definitely don’t appear justified by what’s actually happening in the market now!

While it doesn’t really matter what Intel wants, they have no choice but to compete in the mobile market. They don’t have the leverage there that they do in the PC market and they don’t have the market momentum and presence that ARM does in the mobile market either!
If anything, the declining PC market makes Intel’s influence much weaker than it was before!

Consumers aren’t going to go, “Oh it’s Intel, lets get that instead”… No, Intel will have to prove itself just like every other company competing in the mobile market.

So let’s stop with the over reacting and fear-mongering! The only ones who have to worry about Intel right now is AMD, if they don’t turn their business around soon and stop losing so much money every year then they could be in trouble. Especially, since they don’t really have anything that can compete in the mobile market.

The Temash doesn’t really count because it doesn’t support mobile device power sipping states like Always Connected Standby and have yet to support mobile OS like Android. So they’re still a PC part maker as far as that goes and it’ll still be over a year before they start using ARM parts and that’s likely to only apply to their server products when it first comes out.

But ARM is going strong, they just got another year or so before they can go 64bit and then we’ll see what they can really do…

Intel is forcing Acer/Asus/MSI to not choose ARM solutions in exchange for rebates and bundles, Intel has been doing this type of illegal anti-competitive business with hardware makers for decades, this is not new. It has EVERYTHING with Intel not wanting to loose grip on the market, Intel is absolutely desperate to try to prevent their complete and total destruction as all x86 markets are being replaced by ARM solutions that are cheaper and better.

Again, the only reason Asus chooses Intel and not ARM on their Note device, is Intel pressuring Asus not to use cheaper and better ARM solutions, this has nothing with Asus thinking the Intel solution is better, it has everything with Asus being worried to have to pay extra on the 10-20 million Intel processors that they need to buy each year to use in the laptops, desktops etc that still currently makes up the bulk of the Asus business.

Intel does not want to compete like every other company. Intel only wants to own the whole market and milk everyone for money, exactly like the mafia. And the mafia exists because people like you do not think it’s a problem or even worse, you are not able to understand that the mafia exists and thus being complacent you people just let the mafia block competition on the worldwide market.

Paranoid much? No one, besides extremists of course, is suggesting a Intel-only architecture ecosystem. Intel will have to compete just like all those other companies in the mobile market.

The only way for them to ever dominate there is if they actually do provide the better solution! So unless you’re really afraid of that happening then there’s no reason to be so afraid of them in the mobile market!

And these companies aren’t stopping innovating just because of Intel! Asus, Acer, and Gigabyte still experiment every year with new models and different solutions and Intel doesn’t have the influence in the mobile market as they do in the PC market anyway.

At best, they can only leverage enough to get their foot in the proverbial door to give their products a chance but in the end its the market and consumers that device which platform fails or succeeds and Intel has to compete on actual merit of their products as far as that’s concerned!

So, if they really suck a much as you think then they’ll surely fail… At worse, you’re wrong and they’ll compete but unless they’re totally better solutions, which is unlikely, then ARM isn’t going anywhere any time soon!

Why I should care is very simple. Intel is sucking out all the potential for innovation from companies like Asus, Acer, Gigabyte, and that is just pure disturbing. Those companies have hundreds of some of the worlds most talented engineers, but those are blocked from being allowed to really innovate, instead Intel is forcing them to work with them on one failed failure of an Intel program after the other, if those companies decide not to work with Intel, they risk loosing bundling, they risk loosing rebates, with the thin margins and falling profits/revenues, those consumer electronics companies cannot afford not to listen to Intel’s threats and so they feel compelled to listen to Intel’s dictatorship. This has nothing to do with this or that CPU being a good or bad CPU, this is about Intel wanting to control the market and it’s about consumer electronics companies that should not allow Intel that control over the market, regardless of the performance or power consumption of this or that CPU configuration, performance and power aspects of ARM are plenty good enough and advancing as fast as can be for there to be no need for anyone to suggest it would be a good thing to replace that with an Intel-only architecture ecosystem.

Except that it’s not Wintel anymore, most of these Intel mobile devices are running Android. 🙂 If you look at unit market share, Windows is down from a dominating 95+% of more capable, non-smartphone devices like PCs, laptops and tablets to 60% and falling. Intel is down the same amount. But if you look at profit share, it’s still Wintel dominating PC profits, only Apple and Samsung have passed them now on the mobile side.

Wintel doesn’t have to come back for Intel to supply some credible mobile chips. If their chips suck, they will fail, who cares. If their chips are good, it’s more competition for ARM and ARM designs will have to raise their game. I don’t see any downside here, except possibly another stupid patent war.

Intel benchmarks are all fake. Intel is fake. Intel has been trying mobile chips for half a decade, been mainly a giant failure in all aspects. Intel does not try to push the industry forward, Intel tries to block innovation and to block competition. Intel is just trying to prevent Asus, Acer and others from bringing prices down, desperately Intel is trying to making the bulk of the consumer electronics industry’s profits. 5-25 years ago, only Intel and Microsoft were making most of the consumer electronics industry’s profits, now with ARM, thousands of companies are sharing in the profits of the consumer electronics industry. There is no benefit in anyone supporting a scheme where that same outdated scenario of a Wintel empire comes back.

Competition is a good thing. I personally would never buy an Intel mobile device, but they can only make ARM work harder and better if they can bring a credible mobile chip to market. That’s good for me too, as someone who’d prefer ARM devices.