Comments on: RISC is inherently lower power http://armdevices.net/2011/05/07/risc-is-inherently-lower-power/ Blog on ARM Powered® devices Mon, 21 May 2012 10:05:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Les http://armdevices.net/2011/05/07/risc-is-inherently-lower-power/comment-page-1/#comment-9282 Les Sun, 08 May 2011 14:38:00 +0000 http://armdevices.net/?p=8789#comment-9282 I should have made clear that I meant ARM partners had 28nm devices ready. I was wandering about the title of your post. Even Intel knows that RISC is better than CISC. That's why the x86 is actually a RISC CPU with a decoder in front of it. I agree with you about the ARM business model. LG is the latest to choose an ARM licence because of the control it gives them over their custom SOCs. As for laptops, with Tegra 3 tablets due this year, we can't expect Apple to rest on its laurels. So this time next year, the iPad 3 will be more powerful than the mac book. It will also be cheaper and have better battery life. Apple will have to do something about the low end of its laptop range. I should have made clear that I meant ARM partners had 28nm devices ready. I was wandering about the title of your post. Even Intel knows that RISC is better than CISC. That’s why the x86 is actually a RISC CPU with a decoder in front of it.
I agree with you about the ARM business model. LG is the latest to choose an ARM licence because of the control it gives them over their custom SOCs. As for laptops, with Tegra 3 tablets due this year, we can’t expect Apple to rest on its laurels. So this time next year, the iPad 3 will be more powerful than the mac book. It will also be cheaper and have better battery life. Apple will have to do something about the low end of its laptop range.

]]> By: Charbax http://armdevices.net/2011/05/07/risc-is-inherently-lower-power/comment-page-1/#comment-9281 Charbax Sun, 08 May 2011 14:07:00 +0000 http://armdevices.net/?p=8789#comment-9281 ARM is doing 32nm and 28nm as well. And as soon as ARM is proven to be usable in laptops and servers it will dominate those markets also. It does not matter if Intel thinks it's better, ARM will always win because of it's much superior business model, opening up the IP so you have dozens of ARM chip providers all competing, differentiating, thus ARM will always be the best value no matter how much profit margins Intel decides to cut. ARM is doing 32nm and 28nm as well. And as soon as ARM is proven to be usable in laptops and servers it will dominate those markets also. It does not matter if Intel thinks it’s better, ARM will always win because of it’s much superior business model, opening up the IP so you have dozens of ARM chip providers all competing, differentiating, thus ARM will always be the best value no matter how much profit margins Intel decides to cut.

]]> By: Les http://armdevices.net/2011/05/07/risc-is-inherently-lower-power/comment-page-1/#comment-9280 Les Sun, 08 May 2011 10:45:00 +0000 http://armdevices.net/?p=8789#comment-9280 What's your point? Intel will be releasing its 32nm Atom chips in Q4. Apparently, one of them gets down to 6.5W. There's talk of an N2600 getting down to 3.5W, but no specs available. This is one process step ahead of currrently available ARM devices, but 28nm devices are ready and will offer 2GHz performance at 1W. Intel's new tri-gate technology won't get them into mobile territory, but it will make it extremely difficult for ARM to crack the server market because the power reduction removes the need for active cooling What’s your point? Intel will be releasing its 32nm Atom chips in Q4. Apparently, one of them gets down to 6.5W. There’s talk of an N2600 getting down to 3.5W, but no specs available. This is one process step ahead of currrently available ARM devices, but 28nm devices are ready and will offer 2GHz performance at 1W.

Intel’s new tri-gate technology won’t get them into mobile territory, but it will make it extremely difficult for ARM to crack the server market because the power reduction removes the need for active cooling

]]> By: Charbax http://armdevices.net/2011/05/07/risc-is-inherently-lower-power/comment-page-1/#comment-9276 Charbax Sat, 07 May 2011 18:50:00 +0000 http://armdevices.net/?p=8789#comment-9276 The 3D tech works on ARM chips as well, not an Intel exclusive. Just like High-K Metal Gate, multi-core and smaller nm were not. Actually, I think most software today runs on ARM not x86, if you consider all the software everyone uses out there on the 2 Billion ARM Powered devices shipped every year. And the software delivery system of the future is through app stores, thus all apps will be working just fine on ARM if not even better. The 3D tech works on ARM chips as well, not an Intel exclusive. Just like High-K Metal Gate, multi-core and smaller nm were not.

Actually, I think most software today runs on ARM not x86, if you consider all the software everyone uses out there on the 2 Billion ARM Powered devices shipped every year. And the software delivery system of the future is through app stores, thus all apps will be working just fine on ARM if not even better.

]]> By: Jomunoz http://armdevices.net/2011/05/07/risc-is-inherently-lower-power/comment-page-1/#comment-9273 Jomunoz Sat, 07 May 2011 16:24:00 +0000 http://armdevices.net/?p=8789#comment-9273 Intel's new 3D technology will balance things on the Intel vs ARM battle, Intel would be able to make chips as power efficient as ARM chips. The official Intel announcements say that chips with the new technology will be presented on CES 2012, so it seems that are not interest on giving much attention to the mobile market at the moment, my thought is that they are very confident since most of the software we used today is made to run on x86 processors, so they have no need to worry about manufactures adopting the new processors and also consumers will be delighted to know that the same software that runs on their PC's can run on their hand-held devices. On the other hand Intel chips will always be expensive and that might be its weakest point. Anyway at this moment there is nothing written in stone and we cannot tell if ARM or even MIPS will pull a bigger rabbit out of there hats. Intel’s new 3D technology will balance things on the Intel vs ARM battle, Intel would be able to make chips as power efficient as ARM chips. The official Intel announcements say that chips with the new technology will be presented on CES 2012, so it seems that are not interest on giving much attention to the mobile market at the moment, my thought is that they are very confident since most of the software we used today is made to run on x86 processors, so they have no need to worry about manufactures adopting the new processors and also consumers will be delighted to know that the same software that runs on their PC’s can run on their hand-held devices. On the other hand Intel chips will always be expensive and that might be its weakest point.

Anyway at this moment there is nothing written in stone and we cannot tell if ARM or even MIPS will pull a bigger rabbit out of there hats.

]]> By: Jon Hubert Bristol http://armdevices.net/2011/05/07/risc-is-inherently-lower-power/comment-page-1/#comment-9272 Jon Hubert Bristol Sat, 07 May 2011 16:19:00 +0000 http://armdevices.net/?p=8789#comment-9272 What about http://www.xcore86.com/site/ ? Wouldn't that be soemthing like an x86 SOC thingy? What about http://www.xcore86.com/site/ ? Wouldn’t that be soemthing like an x86 SOC thingy?

]]> By: wood plastic composite http://armdevices.net/2011/05/07/risc-is-inherently-lower-power/comment-page-1/#comment-9267 wood plastic composite Sat, 07 May 2011 06:11:00 +0000 http://armdevices.net/?p=8789#comment-9267 I prefer Intel products I prefer Intel products

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